Smoking Underground VODcast

09/13/2023

Hanging out and having ci**rs with the Bourbon Club

08/31/2023

Joe joins us from Asylum. We will smoke the Asylum 11, we will talk the entire Asylum line. Join us as we go insane with the Asylum and crank it up to 11.

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08/10/2023

Premium Ci**rs Score A Victory As Federal Court Rules Against FDA

WASHINGTON, DC - Today, U.S. District Judge Amit P. Mehta ordered the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to exempt premium ci**rs from to***co regulations that the Agency put in place in 2016. This ruling, which follows nearly seven years of litigation, is a historic victory for the industry and a significant pushback against arbitrary FDA regulation.

Cigar Rights of America (CRA), which funded and led the successful challenge, argued that the inclusion of premium ci**rs in a 2016 “Deeming” rule by FDA was fundamentally misguided and based on unsound science. In its appearance before the court on May 23, 2022, CRA demonstrated that the Agency had failed to demonstrate a public health rationale and improperly rejected a previously considered option to exempt the category.

On July 5th of last year, Judge Mehta agreed, ruling that the inclusion of premium ci**rs was arbitrary and capricious, in violation of the Administrative Procedures Act. Specifically, Judge Mehta found that FDA ignored scientific evidence on the use of premium ci**rs that CRA submitted and “instead of addressing the relevant data before it, the agency resorted to a common refrain to obscure the issue.”

Since that time, the industry has eagerly awaited today’s official announcement by the court that establishes a federal definition for premium ci**rs, allowing their exemption. The ruling effectively brings much-needed regulatory relief to the entire industry.

Robert Levin, president of CRA, stated upon learning of Mehta’s ruling, “today is a monumental day in the history of the premium cigar industry.” Levin continued, “The court’s ruling is further testament to the years-long effort by the CRA legislative and legal teams to give voice to our long-held belief that premium ci**rs should never have been regulated by FDA in the first place.”

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Cigar Rights of America is the first and only consumer-based public advocacy group fighting to protect the individual's right to enjoy premium hand-rolled ci**rs.

07/27/2023

Carson dropped in on John a few weeks ago and told him he wanted to be on the podcast. It happens here. Join all of us while we smoke Ashton Ci**rs, chat about ci**rs, and see where the night leads us.

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07/13/2023

Don't be Pistoff as the original team is back together, as Jason joins us in the podcast. Just back from PCA in Vegas, we will get his latest dish on the new things from Kristoff Ci**rs. we will see if what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!

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05/08/2023

This is whay we do the podcast. This is why we do boring legal epiosdes- this was my post from today in 2019- it happened and only with much effort the Supreme Court clarified certain government agencies powers. That ruling as about 18 months ago. Have you notied all the new ci**rs and cigar companies in the last 18 months?

So I spent my Sunday like most working in a cigar shop. Out of the dozens through the door today none asked about the new FDA mandate that was handed down this week. The one making it illegal to purchase to***co under the age of 21. The one effectively making any cigar created after 2007 illegal unless it goes through FDA testing (at a cost of $50,000+ per blend, per size). The one that could effectively kill the entire industry. Ci******es they will survive no problem, $50k is not big deal to them. V**e? Heck it is believed V**e is helping push this through. Do you know ni****ne in V**e can be extracted from tomatoes or eggplant? Vegetables are not included in the mandate, only to***co. We need to watch the man behind the curtain. He is evil.

04/06/2023

Smoking Underground discusses Ducks Unlimited's 2023 Scotch and Cigar Event at Good People Brewing with organizer David Patton. We smoke the 20 Acre Farm Robusto by Drew Estates. Gary and Devin review the cigar and show how to remove the cedar rap and light the cigar. Devin also discussed pairing a cigar with a tequila.

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03/23/2023

This podcast is about the E.P. Carilio cigar from CRA pack, discussing the brand's background and why you should be a CRA member. Gary and Devin, the producer, talk about ci**rs, the new podcast format, Cuban ci**rs, and the Cigar Point System..

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02/02/2023

As we launch Season 3 of Smoking Underground, we sit down and talk about ourselves. Step back as we tell you our cigar experience and maybe an insight into each of us. This is not a live stream, but you can join the webinar live if you want to watch and comment. You will be asked for an email that we will use to send you the link to upcoming shows. Link in 1st comment.

01/27/2023

The last regularly scheduled public live stream. After this, Smoking Underground is audio only. Visit our website to follow (subscribe) to that podcast; back episodes are being uploaded. While there is if you still want to watch us as we record, send us an email. Every email subscriber gets a link to watch the show as we record (but still no scheduled time).

01/20/2023

The end of the Livestream is near.

01/13/2023

Cigar of the Year?
News.
A TV show and what would they smoke?
And.....?

12/23/2022

We provide our last choice for COTY. WE talk about the other guy's winner.

12/16/2022

In our quest for Ci**rs and More COY we smoke selection number 2. Selecting your cigar, prices, movie of the month, and changes.

12/02/2022

We start discussing the ci**rs as chosen by the staff for Smoking Underground's Cigar of the Year

11/18/2022

Another installment in our series "What would they smoke?" We look at the most famous Thanksgiving TV episode ever- WKRP Turkey Drop.

11/11/2022

Honestly, John cannot remember what is in store for tonight. Maybe a guest we all know and love. Maybe a discussion on what excites us as we enter the holiday season. Either way, we smoke something good!

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11/05/2022

We will be picking ci**rs the characters might have smoked in 2 weeks! Have you watched our designated “Thanksgiving” themed episode yet? If not link is on our website.

WKRP in Cincinnati

11/03/2022

LCA cigar time! We sample the November release from LCA (well, one of the two). very interesting blends this month, and some of us are excited to see how this measures up to some of the great releases of the past few months THEY HAVE BEEN ON A ROLL.

Have you watched the "What should they be smoking program?" WKRP Chicken Drop. Pick a character and decide what cigar they might enjoy.

Watch the episode and order your copy of Monograph #9 at www.smokingunderground.com

10/27/2022

Ci**rs, Health Effects, and Trends We begin to explore this "buried" FDA report.

10/20/2022

Devin picked our first movie. Cape Fear. We will discuss the stick of choice for Rebert in the film. Was it correct? We will see what an equivalent might be that is easier to locate. Of course, we will talk about the number of people who put their health at risk after the Alabama-Tennessee game last week. You won't believe this one.

Everything can be found at www.smokingunderground.com

10/13/2022

Ci**rs may have a smell. Some consider that good or bad. We talk about ways we handle these fragrances.

Be sure to check our website for the movie of the month!

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10/06/2022

We will sit down and discuss our rules for Smoking Undergrounds Cigar of the Year. We start taking nominations NOW! Find out our rules and send in your suggestion!

Send your comments and suggestions to ci**[email protected]

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09/29/2022

Another old/new cigar. We will check it out and decide which is better, maybe we will tell you.

09/15/2022

Aganorsa Leaf rebranded their cigar, but it is otherwise unchanged. Is it really?

09/08/2022

It happen last year with the Atabey Black. Someone stepped up the game last month. It worked so well is it gonna stop?

09/01/2022

LCA time!

08/25/2022

Hey, we have some ideas.

08/18/2022

Yeah, we talk Vitola and maybe Vitolas.

08/11/2022

Well we never talk about what we advertise, so let's see where it goes!

08/04/2022

We enjoy the August LCA release and possibly talk life hacks.

07/28/2022

Last week was either/or. This week is the other or the or. We discuss life hacks, some may even relate to ci**rs.

07/21/2022

We are hoping to talk PCA, but maybe we won't.

07/14/2022

John ends up on the road again, so everyone is remote! It brought up the topic of what are the must-haves when traveling and want to still enjoy the cigar hobby?

07/07/2022

What is the perfect cigar?

06/30/2022

All kinds of stories are told in the lounge. Some are true. Some maybe not so true. Either way, these are some of the memorable ones.

06/24/2022

Down a man again. This time the D-man is out. However, Gary and John are taking advantage and taking the night off also. (Well John is doing a bunch of audio podcast side things.) But enjoy the repeat of our original "One Man Down" episode.

06/16/2022

I don't know what Devin meant, but tune in to find out!

06/09/2022

Telling some of the coolest stories that have occurred while having or because of a cigar.

06/02/2022

Throwback Thursday! 2020, COVID, No Lounge, Jason, and Devin. See how it all began with this throwback episode. The very first "Behind the Curtain" now known as "Smoking Underground. We have come a long way.